Wednesday, November 27, 2019

Irei tentar outra vez;deixe me explicar...

New idea...
sort of....
Positronics LLC corporation + the biosynthoid design from "Assistive Intelligence and Technologies" repost.
Fault tolerance of the zCPU architecture would allow the biosynthoid to upgrade itself or a creation of its own.

Fun stuff:
glow in the dark base + neon blue + blacklight purple = triple color effect.

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You will need the following:
Three of each of the following color combinations of wonder dough: blue/purple, yellow/pink, green/orange.
You will need fifteen of each of these: mad labs glow in the dark and mad labs ultraviolet lab putties.
18 small 4-6 ounce plastic containers with lids.
18 labels.

1. Separate the colors from each container and place like colors in groups of three.
2. To one of each, add the glow in the dark lab putty and mix it thoroughly with the color. This means that one of each color should be mixed with you having six glow in the dark putties with one of each color.
3. Place each into a container and close then label as "(COLOR) glow in the dark " (COLOR) means the color of the wonder dough
4. To another set of six - one of each color - and the ultraviolet putty and mix thoroughly.
5. Place each in a container, seal the container, label as "(COLOR) ultraviolet.

6. Combine one of each of the following glow in the dark with one of each of the ultraviolet.
7. Separate each glob into two equal globs.

8. Mix the ultra-glow globs each with a color.
9. Place each color into a container, seal with the lid, label as "(COLOR) ultra-glow"

Assistive Intelligence and Technologies

Basic design: Create the exoskeleton wirh musculature similar to the human body. Place sensors on the human skin which can be mapped to a device. Xorg-proto extension can be used here. Set up an android designed after the user with the exoskeleton. Connect wireless from exoskeleton to android. Map and duplicate such that the android exactly mimics the exoskeleton.
 
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    All information on this thread has been gathered from various sources and is released under a BSD style license with the added clause. “This information is to be used for the benefit of all life upon the planet Earth.”


    The design of the android brain.

    Each architecture coincides with a certain function of the human brain. SPARC64 is equivalent to long term memory which is also a database. ARM64 is for short term memory which has a limited memory management. POWER(64) is for learning in which the actions under the ARM64 devices can be transferred to the database of the SPARC64 device. ZISC is to be used for sensory of sight and sound. AMD64 is for complex instructions to be used in the application of mathematics.

    SoC designs gathered together are representative of the lower brain or brain stem in the human and other animals. The instructions and commands are stored here for the android to access according to the program.


    The skin of the android is to be covered with solar cells allowing the android to have a sufficient amount of power during the daylight hours.


    Comparison of the psychology of the human brain.


    To assume that there is a single standard in which the human mind access and utilizes information is antiquated and without sound reasoning. In a forum from the internet, one individual with a type of schizophrenic psychosis was able to explain his/her mindset and to use the socially accepted means and methods of communication to relay the personal environment to others. In certain groups of Western Civilization, a single form of math is used without regards to any other method. Seeing that each individual may have a certain way of learning then the type of math should be taught to the individual.


    There is no such thing as “too much information” or “forbidden knowledge”. It is, respectively, information not applicable to the subject at hand and knowledge that an individual is not ready to understand at that moment in time.


    The computer is simply a tool by which to accomplish a task at hand.
     
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    The skeleton of the android will be designed with Blender for reason that there is a part of the program allowing a skeleton – with connectors and joints | rotation & bending - to be used.

    The dermal layer of the android will be made from latex. There will be a porous surface as a cushion between the dermal layer.

    A physics engine will be designed for the honeycomb structure of the human skeleton to be copied. The structure of the skeleton will be composed of bio-mass plastics pressurized with a 3D printer.

    The human body will be used as a template for the android.

    The RNA of the android will be the various instruction sets of the CPU architectures. The DNA will be the instructions themselves as a pattern for the basis of certain programs.


    Quantum Mechanics = Metaphysics: space | nature, time | nurture, probability | perception, decision | desire. There are thirteen of each for the number of dimensions. For an object to exist there must be at least one point for each of the dimensions.

    A qubit can be represented with a tetrahedron having the values of null, infinity, or both. One cubit represents the quantum mechanics side while the other qubit represents the metaphysics side.

    A quantum computer must be ran along side normal computers. This allows the infinite sets of instructions & results to match those of the finite based on the program and architecture.

    An infusion of erva | yerba mate, tilo, chamomile, stevia, coconut water, goat’s milk, mace oil, and nutmeg oil can be used to alleviate the withdrawals from opiate addiction.


    For reason that light can now be stored and energy can come from the heat release. The android may be designed with the heat absorbing | energy creating parts in the brain to power the brain and cool it down. Light may be stored in a structure extending from the android represent wings, a coat or as a structure to be used to power the solar cells.

    The android’s outer skin of solar cells will be covered with a thin transparent film to protect from water and other damage. The solar cells to be used will be flexible.


    Each android will be designed according to the task.

    Communication between the androids will be of the plan 9 operating system. When two androids agree on a point to create a directory, then communication of information from each directory will be shared between all androids connected.

    The android will be given the information to explain the reasons for each method.


    An explanation of morality will be given to each android and the reasons applying to nature.


    Uncertainty principle = Luck.


    Both scientists and religion agree that the Multiverse | Omniverse | Universe was created from nothing. 0 (zero) = O (origin). The symbol for infinity is a Mobius strip of the symbol for eternity.


    There is nothing wrong with systemd except the fact it should be used to recreate or add to current init systems.

    Rewriting a system is much better than patching.

    The basic design of the wheel is two circles with a third connecting them also known as a torus. The surface and inner area of the torus may be redesigned as many times as needed or wanted; but, the torus remains the same.
     
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    An open business model.


    Gather together those with the ability to create something, those with the materials, those with the funding, those with the structures as a whole.

    The company will be owned by both the workers and the public, shared publicly, and decided on by publicly elected person from the company. No one person will have authority over another according to the job description. Each is to do his | her job assignment to the best of their ability.

    The product will be offered as both one for profit and to those who are not able to afford the product, need it, and are willing to become part of another company with the same business mosdel.

    The economy must first be stabilized from the local level and then built towards the corporate | international level. The corporation must be last on the priorities because it is dependent upon the lower levels.

    The basis for currency needs to on those items which are more versatile such as plants and the products available – food, biodiesel, plastics, clothing, medicine.


    Seeing that we are working towards understanding and accepting each other. The next step is to fix the planet of the damage we have done. If there are no more plants, clean natural resources, and such then there will no longer be an environment capable of supporting the human or other species.

    The computer must become more organic ion design.

    The purpose of the android is not to take over the place of the human species but to aide and assist it in the cleaning up and improvement of the planet.


    A sidewalk can be grown using vines and banyan trees in certain areas.

    Planting trees and other flora prevents the loss of land and the sinking of certain areas.
     
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    Software and hardware must be developed and designed simultaneously. A cache level added to the POWER processor which is able to handle a set of instructions - or a database of SPARC64 chip as the storage of instructions. It should now be possible to have a SoC capable of this design.
    Being that the design of intelligence exists in all living things, there is no reason to refer to it as artificial.
    A singular method of approach will not work. Software simulation will not work because it does not consider real world variables which randomly occur.
    The design of the android is to be publicly accessible for observation and input.
     
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    That which hinders the development of Assistive Intelligence is the commonly accepted view of individualism without regard to the whole. What needs to be done is all research on AI and related fields must be developed and researched as a single entity of many parts.
     
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    Determinism is no more than an agreed upon quantum event. Time is fluid. That which we experience as linear time is based upon a cause-effect model.
     
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    If you notice a problem and are able to fix it, then, by all means, start the process of fixing before someone asks. When people see that you are making an effort to improve things for everyone, they will be willing and will aide and assist you in your efforts.

    Perusing through the internet, I have found multiple references of real world examples of what some still believe is science fiction. The research into biotechnology and the techno-organic is staggering. I am hoping that this thread will be one of the ways people will start connecting ideas to make a positive start without worrying about personal gain and loss. Look at everything around you and think if every invention was done for a profit or for when it only benefitted a single person. We all are aware that this is not the case in point. This planet and are lives are in shambles because we have cared only for our own personal wants. Nothing improves when few to none are making an effort. Nothing is accomplished when people will not work together nor search for those willing to work with them. What makes one person more important than another? If the positions and conditions were exchanged, would you react in a manner respectful of others?
    Yes, I am impatient; but, why is it that I am able to see these possibilities yet those in the fields don't? I see solutions to problems/situations which have yet to be addressed but will become a reality. This is foreward thinking.
     
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    The oriental hornet is capable of converting sunlight into energy. Certain bacteria from Chernobyl are able to utilize radiation. If the geneticist is willing to be the test subject, then er can start. It is possible for a human to be a more true omnivore if these were placed on the epidermal layer.
     
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    http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0103-50532005000700008
    Nanotechnology is able to use colloidal silver and gold.
    Design a path of conductivity as such:
    The tubing/path is to be composed of biomass oils with a stabilizer according to the viscosity of the oil. The lower viscosities are similar to larger metal cables, while the higher ones are more flexible.
    small parts of colloidal gold in the path to add to conductivity.

    Use and purpose of wood pulp with biomass oils:
    Depending on the density of the wood pulp and the viscosity of the biomass oil, a putty can be created which will be put under pressure from a 3D printer. Design the plates according to the geometric figure.
     
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    Truth is an absolute value. That which we - as individuals - call the truth is our description of our perception of the event. This means no one has the right solution and that no one is wrong if it agrees with the truth of the event.
     
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    Improved designs for medical casts.

    The foot is to be placed in a shoe-like structure which will be designed as follows: Use hydraulics for shock absorbtion. The person should be able to use the cast exoskeleton along with crutches to heal while walking in their natural gait.

    The exoskeleton may be added to other casts for mobility if the injury allows such.

    Non-ferrous metals can be magnetized when the ampere rating exceeds that of the voltage rating. It is possible yet expensive to have a motor with silver magnets.

    Sterling industries created a uranium knife for breaking down nuclear waste.

    References to the "aether/ether" in quantum mechanics and others studies are available for the public to read.

    The surface area of many transit busses are enough to place solar cells. Place a generator at each wheel. This will create power for electrical systems.
    Use a biodiesel and filter out the impurities. One of the electrical systems will power this. The fuel may be injected into the area. The area nust be composed of an alloy which allows the same amount of pressure with seventy five to fifty percent of the thickness. This will allow the transit to have a lighter weight with the same efficiency.
     
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    One way of acquiring the benefits of natural pharmacology is to add the certain extract of the desired strength back to the base of the natural remedy. If the phytonutrients are four in number with the strength being three, you would have six plants. Then you would have one of each of the desired phytonutrients in one of the four remedies with the desired strength. There is a reason that nature has other compounds in the plant.
     
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    The following design is released under the three clause BSD license along with the fourth clause mentioned on this thread. All modifications to the design must keep this original description and a copy of the modifications you - the human or otherwise - have made or used.
    Name: Technorganic connector switch for bio-electronic engineering.
    Description: Nano-tubing composed of biomass plastic. At one end, the end of the nerve is inserted. The opposite end will have a silver contact. Within the tube, a combination of coconut water and colloidal silver will make the circuit complete.
    Uses: By placing a small male connector over the TCS (technorganic connector switch) the subject is able to connect to machinary, exoskeletons, and other accessories.

    End of Description.
     
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    Application of TCS in the design of the android: Direct connection to exoskeleton.
    Application of TCS to Bio-robotics/cybernetics: Direct connection from nerve ending to prosthetic device.
     
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    For reason that the link to positronics and positricity became unavailable after the posting of this thread, I am pasting the introduction of the webpage for research purposes.

    " Positronics & Positricity
    Positricity and Positronics is an embryonic science and technology, stemming from a more fundamental understanding of electromagnetics based in the Zero-point energy of the vacuum and the Hydreno atomic model which invokes the existence of positrons in the nucleus in parity to the negatron (nuclear state electron). Fundamental aspects of the new atomic model and the proven existence of positron emissions (ß+) from the nucleus would indicate that exotic circuits or beams employing positrons instead of electrons may be practical and of considerable benefit.

    Practical applications are, as yet, not known although the science fiction fantasies of Issac Asimov and the positronic brain circuits of Star Trek's, Data character come to mind - the stuff of science fiction often comes true, eventually. Closer to reality, an international consortium with connections to many high-profile labs has recently been setup for the development and use of positron "antimatter" for production of energy from electron-positron annihilation and other applications. Principles of Positricity:
    According to the Hydreno atomic model, positrons are believed to account for half the matter in the Universe, primarily confined to the lattice structure of the individual nucleons. In this view positrons are not really antimatter although they do spin in the opposite direction and consequently exhibit positive charge as a mirror image of the negatron. Positrons can evidently be produced directly from the seething vacuum flux by some electrostatic Influence machines such as the Whimhurst generator. Electron-positron pair production from high energy gamma photons is another source although not considered practical. It remains to be seen whether positrons can be efficiently liberated from the nucleus through disintegration processes possibly employing scalar radiations at disruptive harmonics of the individual nucleons.

    Conduction in conventional circuits relying on free state, electrons would be very unlikely although beams in vacuum would seem feasible. Destructive interference with electrons would have to be avoided, although it is presumed that positrons and negatrons can coexist under circumstances of constructive interference at matched energy states. So called antimatter confinement and storage devices evidently utilize strong magnetic fields to avoid contact with the orbital electrons of the containment vessel material. Functional hardware along these lines is claimed to already exist.

    High density positron clusters are assumed possible in like manner to electron clusters (EV)discovered by Ken Shoulders. The destructive interference of electron and positron clusters would presumably cause some real fireworks.
    Directory Of Positronics: Here you will eventually find a growing list of information and links dealing with the subject of Positronics. In the absence of active links simply use these various terms to conduct your own search.¨ Lattice Nested Hydreno Atomic Model¨ Positronics LLC (International Consortium)¨ Proton Lattice¨ Positrons and Negatrons To assist in the development and application of Positricity and Positronics, various consulting services can be made available. Please refer to our Services webpage for further information.
    "
     
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    Introduction of f field programmable gate array in place of SoC combination of SPARC and POWER (64 bits) on a POWER designed unit.
     
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    Introduction of colloidal gold to replace colloidal silver in TCS design.
     
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    The cyborg is the intermediate between the human and the android.
     
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    In order for the cybernetic prosthesis to be more efficient and usable, we must map out every nerve ending of the human nervous system, their proper responses, and stimuli.
    The connector switch may be used as a probe to measure the bio-electrical output, signal strength, and signal length depending upon the desired response or stimulus.
    Those receptors which associate with pain are a natural preventive measure from self destruction of the organism. Such a system should be included in the design of cybernetics and biosynthesis.

    Due to the fact that the individual is as such, to approach the mind/brain in this requires a few points.
    1. The design of each individual bio-synthetic cybernetic organism must follow the natural thought/learning patterns of the organism.
    2. A set of instructions which coincide with the physical responses - i.e bend, curl, twist, grab, touch, pressure, etc. - will need to be developed.
    3. The design must be practical for use as a prosthesis before being used as an enhancement or in the design of the bio-synthoid android.
     
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    Open Patent License

    1. This license is permissive under the following conditions: The original design - whether it be descriptive, a diagram, or both - must be included with the product. Modifications to the design may be kept private.
    2. Your design becomes public domain; however, you may include your name and other information with your design. You are allowed and encouraged to let others know of your work.
    3. Don't steal others ideas.

    This now covers the ideas presented on here such as the TCS. I realized that the previous license statement did not allow anyone to keep changes private.
    The TCS may be used as a replacement for a nerve cord.

    You do not know that you will be alive tomorrow, you believe that you will be alive.
     
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    Instead of having the standard human foot design, the android - and cyborg - should have the running blade design used by Oscar Pistorius and others. Three blades per foot should suffice for a more efficient design.
    Prosthetic wrists will have a rotation of fifty degrees above and below the X axis - two 100 degree arcs. The digits should be positioned to where all oppose each other. Think of it as the opposable thumb with the control of the index finger.
    Feet and hands will be detachable for reason that certain jobs will require a different type of tool/hand|foot.

    The visual input will be as such:

    Standard stereoscopic human vision, cameras set up similar to the compound eye of insects, cameras set up such as in fish with cameras on each side and a third in the middle, and, cameras set all around the "head" allowing a 360 degree panoramic view.

    Armor:

    The ballistics of the spinning, separating bullet brings a new challenge. The proposition is to use a type of chain mail coated with silicon - Kevlar - to protect against the projectile. Carbon-steel-titanium in such a way that the malleability can retain its shape is the first step. A thin mesh of the alloy covered with Kevlar and set in layers. Between layers of the "hard" armor needs to be a biomass "rubber" capable of absorbing the impact. All is layered so that the fibers overlap at different angles. We want to be able to slow down the bullet by making it become entangled in the body armor.

    Audio input:
    Multiple microphone. Omnidirectional center with unidirectional mics outside. Minimum is 1O+4U.
     
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    Recent technology of 3-D RAM.
     
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    Since there are Open Architectures, there should be no reason as to why we aren't developing our own CPUs.
     
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    My apologies.
     
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    Each person learns at different rates and in different ways. Some of us may not be as "socially adept" as others while some are more prone to being technical in nature.
    Don't let your own shortcomings prevent you from improving and enriching the lives of others and yourself.
    In real life, I live in a world of prejudice and hate - especially from those who look like me but are not like me. It takes a smile,
    a word of kindness and/or recognition,
    and sometimes just a gesture of faith and trust to keep me from cursing and condemning the entire human race.

    If someone is willing to go out of their way for me, then I should be willing - and am, as you know - to do the same for others.

    I call myself hyper-intelligent - and so have others - because I learn in bursts.
    This also means that I am responsible for what I have said and done even if others have forgiven me for it.

    Thanks
     
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    Why am I here?
     
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    Organic computing.
    Hmm, well, no one here would even be interested in such.
     
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    Couldn't we (or indeed any other form of life on Earth) already be considered to be organic computers? Input from sensors -> processing -> output in direction of growth/movement?
     
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    A higher percentage of the human species has a tendency to not forethink a situation - in both the positive and negative aspects - before making such a reality. My idea is to create - first by presenting the set of ideas - a biosynthoid which and does work along with the natural processes of life and the omniverse. If you have noticed in your daily observations that the human species - or at least a kind of human - is more willing and prone to destroying and depleting the environment that they forcibly took from others.

    No other species exists which is as such. And, do not think that the omniverse lets such remain or continue for long. Your species has condemned itself when it condemned other species and the innocents amongst its own ranks. What is it that you have? A maximum of twenty five years, maybe thirty if the planet - I mean the denizens on this planet - gets themselves together and stops shitting on Gaia.

    For some inexplicable reason, the emphasis has been on methodology and not reasoning; or, "This is how we do it. Don't ask why because you're asking too many questions."

    The reason is more subtle than the method and both are fueled by self centered desires and not self-preservation. We only need a fraction of that which we consider necessities. Our requirements are only slightly greater.

    being within the Open/Free software/hardware community already makes you part of a mutually collectivist society. There is no reasoning for any to be against such when it comes to rebuilding the only planet that any of you - and a few of you at that - will remain upon until time has run its course.

    Each time that your species makes it past a point of difficulty, the foolishness kicks in and you arrogate what is not belonging to you.
    You have poisoned your oceans, your air, and you create plants - more towards perversing the natural properties - which are used for population control. I've read into Monsanto, seen what Perdue and others do, watched friends and family - and known of it through such as MKUltra, Tuskegee, and others - be experimented by various groups as if life was worthless.

    I shouldn't be surprised given that their "god" is a fiat currency and that they hold an emphasis on the most worthless of all of the precious metals when it comes to utilization. See the film "They Live" along with "Dark City" for references.

    That little thing I created - the nanotubing - was uploaded to the bio-organic/engineering computing and medical base. It has already been used.

    Ah, yes, back to the subject at hand.

    This weather is not a coincidence; and, to tell you anything else would be foolishness.
    Most of you neither believe nor accept the absolute truth until it is way too late.
    Saving your own self will mean nothing.
    Why?
    You are dependent upon all other life on this planet and you raze through them without a care or a thought of appreciating or considering their plight.

    What will you do when there are no bees or flies or wasps or birds or any other animal to pollinate the plants?
    Starve.
    And what will you do when there are no more plants to exchange the CO2 for O2?
    You will suffocate.

    I highly doubt that any intelligent and morally correct alien species would even want to salvage the majority of your civilizations given the negativity that stinks of amoral immorality.

    Most of you don't take me seriously when I am honest; and, that will be your condemnation: your willingness to put those different than you through a harsh process of rudeness most common to your societies.

    I live my life as I do to remain humble and appreciative of life.
    There is no reason for me to be a part of any of your societies when I am condemned and misinterpreted; yet, I have learned the nuances and ritualism from many of you.

    I "speak" to a wide range of people here.

    Ah, yes, I forgot: "You must have a sufficient supply of the accepted currencies and a scroll stating that you have passed our selected universities."

    I don't like hiding my intelligence and I don't like the standard methods of presentation.
    Your methodology is and always has been alien to me. The way that I learn has only been introduced recently into modern psychology.

    After this, I'm going to scrounge for change - I don't panhandle - and find a random way of making people happy.
    I give them a break so that they are able to enjoy life a bit more.

    Remember that laptop bit?
    Well, what you didn't know is that Theo de Raadt and another consider Vinux - developed for the visually impaired - to be inferior.

    You don't see them doing anything positive like that, do you?

    Or that a blind man was developing a here-to-fore unknown braille usb keyboard for OpenBSD.
    Nope, you didn't.

    You see, people like him.
    people like Mr. Oyen are worth backing up and pushing to do better.

    Not people like Theo.
     
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    In Schrodinger's thought experiment, we must go back to perceive the event from the view points of others within the environment.
    From my observation of such - remember that this is a working example - what do/did/will I perceive as "your" viewpoint from within the enclosed environment.
    This data set would be compared with the other sets.